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5000 PAGES OF DOCUMENTS OF JW PEDOPHILE CASES AVAILABLE! B ANDERSON BOOK
by Seeker4 inbarbara anderson has just released a new book on cd that contains some 5000 pages of public court records from the nine lawsuits involving 16 victims that the wts settled secretly in may of this year, plus documents from two other cases the society settled in 2000 and 2006.. .
its called secrets of pedophilia in an american religion: jehovahs witnesses in crisis.. .
the book, and more info from barbara about it, is available here:.
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I can't believe the irony..
by The Quiet One inwatchtower july 15, 2011 study edition page 12 paragraph 7 'following the crowd would not train our perceptive powers; nor, on the other hand, would a host of rigid rules in matters of conscience.
that is why, for example, jehovah's people are not given a list of films, books, and internet sites to avoid...worse, it would deprive us of the vital work of weighing bible principles carefully and prayerfully and then making decisions on the basis of those principles.
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New Chapter - Sorry, I didn't intend to make anyone angry.. Excellent point about the vampire movies, who needs a list when you can wipe out entire genres at a time? We were even told at an assembly that Harry Potter films are not for christians! How specific is that?! Sizemik - Exactly. 'Bible trained conscience'= what we tell you to do in the magazines. Punkofnice - Great points.
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I can't believe the irony..
by The Quiet One inwatchtower july 15, 2011 study edition page 12 paragraph 7 'following the crowd would not train our perceptive powers; nor, on the other hand, would a host of rigid rules in matters of conscience.
that is why, for example, jehovah's people are not given a list of films, books, and internet sites to avoid...worse, it would deprive us of the vital work of weighing bible principles carefully and prayerfully and then making decisions on the basis of those principles.
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Watchtower July 15, 2011 study edition page 12 paragraph 7 'Following the crowd would not train our perceptive powers; nor, on the other hand, would a host of rigid rules in matters of conscience. That is why, for example, Jehovah's people are not given a list of films, books, and Internet sites to avoid...Worse, it would deprive us of the vital work of weighing Bible principles carefully and prayerfully and then making decisions on the basis of those principles.'
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Watchtower defiance against Hitler
by The Quiet One inwatchtower october 1, 2011 page 14 'did hitler receive letters of protest from church officials concerning the outrager perpetrated by the national socialists, or nazis?
there were some, but such letters were few and far between.
in the moscow archives, however, eberle found a file containing a number of letters sent to hitler by jehovah's witnesses..protesting against the conduct of the nazis.
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Here's another example of giving a false impression.. 'The book Jehovah's Witnesses in The Divine Purpose , published by the Watch Tower Society in 1957,states: "Judge Rutherford had been watching the German situation closely and was well acquainted with its development as it affected the witness work. With this serious turn of events he lostno time in going to Germany, accompanied by N. H. Knorr, to see what could be done. On June 25..., a convention was called in Berlin. There a Declaration of Facts was presented to the 7,000 in attendance in protest against the Hitler government for their highhanded interference with the witness work of the Society, and was unanimously adopted. The declaration was mailed to every high officer of the government from the president down to the members of the council, and 2,500,000 copies were given public distribution. Retaliation came quickly. Three days later, on June 28, for the second time the Society's property was seized and occupied, and by government decree its printing plant was closed"..But was the seizure of Watch Tower property by the German government on June 28, 1933 really because the Declaration of Facts was a bold protest against Nazi actions?' http://www.bible.ca/jw-penton-3rdreich.htm
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Watchtower defiance against Hitler
by The Quiet One inwatchtower october 1, 2011 page 14 'did hitler receive letters of protest from church officials concerning the outrager perpetrated by the national socialists, or nazis?
there were some, but such letters were few and far between.
in the moscow archives, however, eberle found a file containing a number of letters sent to hitler by jehovah's witnesses..protesting against the conduct of the nazis.
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''What I am disagreeing with is the thinking that people who could have somehow have stopped him were aware at the begininng that he would go to that extent.''- If this is your main point, then I agree with you. As mentioned on the Mein Kampf wiki page, the 'gassing jews' quote was only one sentence that indicated his view, some may have missed it or seen it as merely hypothetical, although it should have been worrying, and Rutherford never agreed with such treatment of jews (as in gas chambers), at least publicly. Soft+gentle said: ''But are you saying that the sentence Terry quoted is in meinkampf. Even if it is please see mypoint in para 1 of this post.''- Yes, you said he wasn't quoting it from meinkampf, that was all.
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Watchtower defiance against Hitler
by The Quiet One inwatchtower october 1, 2011 page 14 'did hitler receive letters of protest from church officials concerning the outrager perpetrated by the national socialists, or nazis?
there were some, but such letters were few and far between.
in the moscow archives, however, eberle found a file containing a number of letters sent to hitler by jehovah's witnesses..protesting against the conduct of the nazis.
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Soft+gentle said: 'I don't think Rutherford's letter is anti-semitic.' Fair enough but consider these points-- From the letter..''are solely interested to comply to the just principles as they were set up bythe Reichskanzler himself - to investigate our situation impartially. The principles mentioned, refer to paragraph 24 of the program of the National Socialistic German Party of Workers, which reads:"We demand the freedom of all religious denominations within the state,as far as they do not endanger the state itself or violate the moral valuesof the German race. The party as such represents the viewpoint of positive Christianity without being attached to any particular denomination. It fights against the jewish-materialistic spirit inside and outside of us and is convinced that any recovery of the German people can only take place from the inside out."- Rutherford said they agreed with this religious goal, including the anti semitism. From the Declaration of facts- ''It has been the commercial Jews of the British-American empire that have built up and carried on Big Business as a means of exploiting and oppressing the peoples of many nations.'' Definition: an·ti-Sem·i·tism [an-tee- sem -i-tiz- uh m, an-tahy-] - noun 1. discrimination against or prejudice or hostility toward Jews [Origin: 1880–85 ] Source: Dictionary.com Unabridged
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Watchtower defiance against Hitler
by The Quiet One inwatchtower october 1, 2011 page 14 'did hitler receive letters of protest from church officials concerning the outrager perpetrated by the national socialists, or nazis?
there were some, but such letters were few and far between.
in the moscow archives, however, eberle found a file containing a number of letters sent to hitler by jehovah's witnesses..protesting against the conduct of the nazis.
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Soft+gentle said:"Terry in your post 11532 you have not clarified that these words of Hitler were not in Mein Kampf but part of his final solution which came years later. if 12,000–15,000 Jews were gassed, then "the sacrifice of millions of soldiers would not have been in vain,"- Sorry, you're wrong there.. 'Mein Kampf has assumed a key place in the functionalism versusintentionalism debate. Intentionalists insist that the passage stating that if 12,000–15,000 Jews were gassed, then "the sacrifice of millions of soldiers would not have been in vain," proves quite clearly that Hitler had a master plan for the genocide of the Jewish people all along. Functionalists deny this assertion, noting that the passage does not call for the destruction of the entire Jewish people and note that although Mein Kampf is suffused with an extreme anti-Semitism, it is the only time in the entire book that Hitler ever explicitly refers to the murder of Jews. Given that Mein Kampf is 720 pages long, Functionalist historians have accused the Intentionalists of making too much out of one sentence. Functionalist historians have argued that the memorandum written by Heinrich Himmler to Hitler on May 25, 1940, regarding the " Final Solution to the Jewish Question ," whose proposals Hitler accepted, provesthat there was no master plan for genocide which stemmed back to the 1920s. In the memorandum, Himmler rejects genocide under the grounds that one must reject "...the Bolshevik method of physical extermination of a people out ofinner conviction as un-German and impossible." He goes on to argue that something similar to the " Madagascar Plan " be the preferred "territorial solution" tothe " Jewish Question ." Additionally, Functionalist historians have noted that in Mein Kampf Hitler states the only anti-Semitic policies he will carry out are the 25 Point Platform of the Nazi Party (adopted in February 1920), which demandsthat only "Aryan" Germans be allowed to publish newspapers and own department stores, places a ban on Jewish immigration, expels all Ostjuden (Eastern Jews; i.e., Jews from Eastern Europe who had arrived in Germany since 1914) and strips all German Jews of their German citizenship. Although these demands do reflect a hateful anti-Semitism, they do not amount to a programme for genocide, according to the Functionalist historians. Beyond that, some historians have claimed although Hitler was clearly obsessed with anti-Semitism, his degree of anti-Semitic hatred contained in Mein Kampf is no greater or less than that contained in the writings and speeches of earlier völkisch leaders such as Wilhelm Marr , Georg Ritter von Schönerer , Houston Stewart Chamberlain and Karl Lueger , all of whom routinely called Jews a "disease" and "vermin." Nevertheless, Hitlercites all of them as an inspiration in Mein Kampf.' http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf
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Simpsons joy of sect- any similarities to jw's?
by The Quiet One inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umd0tbzuigg.
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I've stopped my bible study but....
by PenelopePaige inthe lady i studied with asked if it would be okay if she still brought the magazines by.
i said of course because i do love the awake and watchtower.
well, when she came by last week, she gave me the mags and then as we stood around chit-chatting, i realized we were basically still having the study, only we were standing up instead of sitting in the living room.
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'Thanks for the magazines and everything, but I'm no longer interested, so please don't call again.' then.. 'goodbye'*as door is closing*